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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

 

 

 

Wrong! Fear of god is the biggest step back from wisdom you could possibly make. Why would you fear it?

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Nike, I sure wish my penis was a hero... but that's a discussion for another time.

 

Scientist: Yes, jews believe that jesus was a real person, as I believe that abraham lincoln was a real person. I don't believe that jesus was the messiah, or anything close to it, just as I don't believe that 'ol abe went on a zombie killing spree with a shotgun... however much I would have liked to see that happen. that would have been fun to watch...

 

In any case, lookit the bible, if you read it in 'lashon hakodesh' it doesn't even say that jesus's mom was a virgin, thats right.

The word for virgin is 'Betulal' the word used is 'Betulah' ... not the same are they?

Yes, you can say that they sound the same, but 'cat' and 'car' sound alike and they're hardly similar in any way...

 

...oops, there goes the religion, over the mispronounciation of one word.

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Let me also address jesus dying peacefully on the cross. Jesus never died peacefully on the cross. The enormous 'Jansen's History of Art' textbook would be a nifty thing to have here, but lets assume you have no need for it so I can explain...

 

If you take a look at art depicting the crucifiction you get two completely different mindsets as to how it happened. The early west traditionally put the crucificdtion as entirely bloodless and somewhat peaceful actually. While eastern art in general was somewhat more realistic. The western art originally put jesus on the cross in a purple robe, we know this isn't true, the purple robe signifies royalty or a sort of kingship as the purple was hard to obtain and limited in quality, this dye is rampant throughout the first illustrated bible as well (for the records, the dye was from a snail called the 'Murex Truncullus' look it up). Jesus was never in a robe, and again was not peaceful. Later on during the gothic art period even western artists focused on the 'gory' part of the crucifiction, often times showing jesus just being taken down from the cross covered in blood or jesus on the cross, some blood, with a look of absoloute horror on his face. While there is a shift in artistic style, it was still traditionally the eastern idea that jesus was NOT peaceful as the west could not even concieve of this deity even in an artistic form in any form of torment.

 

art historians determined that the eastern art forms seem to be more accurate towards the actual depiction of the crucifixion, as the gradual shift of the western was to this too. Jesus SUFFERED for you, right? If he just died without pain or anything of that sort, where's the suffering?

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OK firstly let me say to jmpet we could get along and I look forward to conversing with you in future.

 

To business.

Your level of education cannot depict your strength of mind; but if it does, you say PhD in History, ok, well I'm actually doing one in Physical Chemistry.

 

Now I preach to you,

I have done Genetics and Physical Chemistry degrees (simultaneously), and my PhD is on Superconductivity and a few Quantum Tunneling Concepts. It is actually really interetsing, if we as humans could find a Superconductor, A conductor with no elefctrical resistance at 298 K, or there abouts, we could half the worlds energy requirements.

What is your History PhD on?

 

Anyway.

 

Wrong on history, wrong on dates. The Bible was written in the 1st Century AD, Constantine came around in the 4th century. So, he didn't write the Bible, and he was by no means a theologian. He accepted Christianity because of a vision he had. Before a major battle he had a vision with the words, 'Under this sign you will conquer.' The sign? The Chi and Rho Greek letters, that are the first two letters of Christos. He painted the symbol on his army's shields and won the battle. He therefore tolerated Christainity in the Edict of Milan in 313. Several times during his life he swore that it was real. There was no political considerations behind his toleration of Christianity, on the contrary, it was destabilizing to go against the status quo religion of paganism. He actually wasn't even baptized until shortly before his death…So, you are wrong on Constantine and wrong on dates.

 

 

 

I deliberately gave you no dates. Why? Because as this a well documented period of history, find out yourself, but even now you have them wrong yourself, it was 312 AD at the Mivian Bridge where constantine aledgedly convdrted himself and his army. LOL. Historian eh? Secondly this backs up another arguement I have. Of course he was only baptised on his death bed. He wasn't a christian, so why did he go to so much trouble as to begin the merging of paganism and this Christianity? That dream stuff, well, you my friend had a dream. Enought said. Powerful leaders often had these dreams and visions, I doubt they had them for real, cause it was so fashionable to have them back them. Also, the bible was written later from the Gospels, as you said yourself, is this not editing? Rewriting the gospels etc into one book? The bible is massively edited. Seek out the heretical Gospels and books, e.g The book of Enoch.

As to being destabilising to go against the status quo. Well paganism was a far more informal and relaxed religion than Christianity, for example pagans would not go to war against each other, or other religious groups, for the sakes of converting them. Given the tenacity of religion in the Holy land, it wouldn't take long tos ee it spreading into the actaully accepting pagan europe. Such is the format of polytheic paganism, new gods or such were initially welcomed.

This is all superfluos as since the Roman empire was including an eastern, Jewish, Christian people it wasn't actually that bad a move.

 

Jesus Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the early church worshiped on this day, which they call the 'Lord's day'. The early Christian writings also show that Sunday was the day of worship from the year dot. So, your 'pagan influence' theory falls apart as being theoretically and factually wrong.

 

 

 

This is exactly what I refer to when i say the pagan roots of Christianity. Jesus didn't rise from the dead on Sunday, mainly because he was still dead. Anyway. The reasoning here has been edited into the bible. Which I dont care what you say was edited upon its creation, and when Emperor Constantine decided suddenly to accept christianity in the empire, as a state religion of sorts.

There are other pieces of evidence; the romans celebrated the birth of the sun god on December 25th, long before it was Jesus' birthday. It only became so in 400 AD. Romans had been worshippin the sun god's birthday for 500 years before christmas magically appeared. The two 'high holy days' in Christianity are Christmas and Easter. Christmas happens to fall very close (usually just a day or two away) from the Winter Solstice. In Celtic terms, Yule. (Yule tide carol... Coincidence? I think not.) Easter falls in the same time as Ostara, which is the celebration of the Spring Equinox, which happens to be a celebration of rebirth. (Coincidence again? Nope.) As much as I have read the Bible I have yet to find anything involving bunnies or Christmas trees. Why? Because they are of Pagan nature.

 

Long before Constantine, Christians found ways to redeem local cultures and salvage elements in those cultures that naturally pointed to Christ, whether Hebrew, Syrian, Greek, or Roman. They denounced inhumane pagan practices, but at the same time took over pagan temples and converted them to churches. They replaced the old gods in popular devotion with heroic martyrs of the persecutions. And they replaced the holy days of paganism with festivals of the Christian year.

Now you have sought to include time travel in this age old crusading of christians into everythin they can.

 

And in terms of the power of the mind, where do you think it came from? The forces of nature? Don't think so. If I found an old fashioned pocket watch out in the jungle, with all its intricate workmanship, I wouldn't think that the forces of nature made it. Obviously there was an intelligent designer behind it, a person who crafted it. Same with the world. Take a step back: everything is so intricate, complex that you can only say that it wasn't an accident-it had intelligent design. This intelligent designer, we call God.

 

 

 

 

OK, this really is bollocks. As a 'self-procalimed scientist' (I officailly proposed no theories and procalimed nothing, you on the other hand............), I have investigated in great detail and labour the world around me and have come to understand it very well. It is beyond anyone's comprehension on this earth as to how life came about, except the scietist who could tell you that if you pass an electric current though water with an nitrogen interface (i.e a sea, with nitrogen in the air, lighting is our current), amino acids form. Simplistically these are the basic building blocks of life, other things like DNA self assemble. Self assemble, thats right, and can also be created from a similar means in water with nitrogenous bases, ribose and phosphate. With these two you have the makings of very primitive life form, (especially when you consider that all you would need would be a cell membrane to be similar to a basic bacteria). A cell membrane can be formed by fat molecules and phosphates, this will happen at a critical local bilayer concentration (CLBC). Give this a few billion years, a time beyond any perception or analogy. It is it any wonder, given the self constructive and self replicating properties of DNA, that life in bacterial form emerged? NO, then more complicated life forms. Conciousness, is harder to explain, but can be better explained by science than some divine magic. LOL. Though is definitely one of the FEW remaining frontiers of the human biology. Not long before that is broken, and new frontier found.

 

 

As A self proclaimed time travelling bible basher you have been throughly been put in your place. None of what I have said means anything compared to thinking about the concepts of 'God' and 'church', I have been to church, people stand there chanting like zombies what one man tells them to. And I seen no god in today's world, nor in its past. I got to admit I would have made the world a bit different, albeit in the retrospect, THAT insight, even god didn't have (a power god doesn't have, isn't that proof enough). God's the all seing, all knowing, all powerful, guy who doddles around eden, finds adam and eve snacking on some ridiculously forbidden apples he doesn't eat himself, and at first has to be told what going on by the talking snake, then all he does is make them put clothes on and sends them packing. RIGHT you are.

 

Lastly;

 

The fear of the lord was the dark ages, and hindernace of advancement in all aspects of life for men.

 

Well my theory isn't theoretically weak, its a theory isn't it, based adequately as to be made. And well I just showed you its actually as factually correct as any other piece of non-sense history about Jesus.

 

You sputter and huff and puff, I will say no more. This is the age of Aquarius, currently 5 years in, 1995 to go. Where men must discover the truth and not be told it, and I'm tired of spoon feeding you.

 

Cheers

 

A very 'Good proclaimed Scientist'

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Some theological concepts were raised, which I think a lot of you DON'T understand. Here comes understanding:

 

Firstly, 'The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom.'

 

What does this mean? What it really means is that we creatures give honor and respect and obedience to our Creator. If we know our place, if we understand that He is God and we are but mortal beings, then we start on the path of wisdom.

 

Man is pompous and arrogant. He thinks he knows better than God. "Good Scientist" here claims to even have powers that God doesn't have!

 

This foolishness isn't new. God raises the issue in Isaiah 45 saying,

 

"9 "Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker,

to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground.

Does the clay say to the potter,

'What are you making?'

Does your work say,

'He has no hands'?

 

10 Woe to him who says to his father,

'What have you begotten?'

or to his mother,

'What have you brought to birth?'

 

11 "This is what the LORD says—

the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:

Concerning things to come,

do you question me about my children,

or give me orders about the work of my hands?

 

12 It is I who made the earth

and created mankind upon it.

My own hands stretched out the heavens;

I marshaled their starry hosts."

 

Secondly, I was present at the Crucifixtion and yes, Jesus wore no purple robe. But in Christian art Christ is often depicted as a King crucified, not as an attempt to literally portray the crucifixtion, but to remind viewers that the Christ the King died for us.

 

 

And finally, the story of the fall of man contained in the first few chapters of Genesis are rich in meaning. Man is given free will from God. God instructs man that he can live in paradise, if he only obeys. Man is tempted by evil, in the form of the serpent. This serpent represents the 'mystery of iniquity', and is the first evidence of the malelovent forces in the world. Man chooses to reject God's dominiion to become 'gods' of their own, 'knowing good and evil.' God could have destroyed man for this sin, but instead promises a deliverer saying, a woman would arise whose offspring would 'crush' the 'serpent's head', meaning Christ the Redeemer. (cf. Gen. 3:15)

 

I hope this helps some of the 'theologically challenged' on this board.

 

God with God.

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This board will stay the same.

 

This is so, in the technology of time travel, there are always negative and positive realities.

 

This is how it is.

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I have one very important power that god doesn't have, and that is that I can shape this world, I can affect it, change it, I hope for the better. I am here and now, and as such am more powerful than any God, of any religion. I am not tethered to the ground by an ancient and irrelevant text, and my life is not dumbed down by it. It concerns a part of the world far from me, people who are not my own, 2000+ years in the past, in the days of man's ignorance. What could be more wholly irelevant? Granted, the bible contains valueable morals standards, but morals change, and the bible's morals will very soon be alien to tomorrows ethics and morality. It also contains obvious lessons and preaches that anybody could observe in human society, and that all religions and cultures have seen themselves. So, that said, go and join a religious board (or something similar), and tell them your story, quote to them your bible.

 

Let us know how that goes, in roughly a years time.

 

Cheers again

 

Good Scientist

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Your folly knows no ends, does it? You are more powerful than 'any god'. Really, get a clue. Putting aside that statement for one second, you say that you are also more powerful than 'any religion'. Are you for real? The Catholic Church is 1 billion members strong. There are half a billion Protestant Christians, and millions of Orthodox. The Christian message is brought to places like Africa, where health care and schools are built. The message of compassion for other human beings is brought to the slums of South America, and Christian schools throughout the world shape millions of people into tomorrows leaders.

 

But whoa, you think you are more powerful than any religion! Again, get a clue.

 

Oh, and you don't need to be 'dumbed down' by anything: I think your dumb enough as it is, all by yourself!

 

And by the way, this is a TIME TRAVEL FORUM, and I'm the only one who has actually time travelled here. So why don't you get on your bike and find another forum: this is my post you twit! If you don't like it, go somewhere else!

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And by the way, this is a TIME TRAVEL FORUM, and I'm the only one who has actually time travelled here. So why don't you get on your bike and find another forum: this is my post you twit! If you don't like it, go somewhere else!

 

 

 

This is a time travelling forum, you didn't travel time and most of your posts are biblical bollocks. So I think you should reconsider my request, and see how the religious crowd/forums react.

 

The Christian message is brought to places like Africa,

 

 

Yet more evidence of christianity's contempt for anything and everything except itself. Especially with all the tolerance and love in the bible.............Why did the christian message have to be brought, what was wrong with the faith they had before?

 

Putting aside that statement for one second, you say that you are also more powerful than 'any religion'. Are you for real? The Catholic Church is 1 billion members strong. There are half a billion Protestant Christians, and millions of Orthodox.

 

 

I didnt actually say that, I was just emphasizing the 'any god' point, but now that you mention it.

I think the catholic church is smaller than that, same for all the other figures too. So if I am not with them, I am with the rest of the heathens and there are alot of them too. LOL.

 

The message of compassion for other human beings

 

Yeah this is true but only when christians feel like it. Crusades anyone? Witch hunts?

 

Christian schools throughout the world shape millions of people into tomorrows leaders.

 

More prize specimens like you and George Bush, more indoctrinated youth. Not good for the rest of us.

 

"If you can, believe: ALL THINGS [including time travel] are possible to him who believes."(Mark 9:23)

 

I think less is possible for one who believes.

 

Although the Bible says that "God is love," Christianity has shed more blood and perpetrated more cruelty than any other religion in the world. Despite the text that "all liars shall have their portion in the lake that burneth with brimstone and fire," it has been guilty of more deliberate frauds and forgeries than any other faiths it is accustomed to regard as the offspring of the Devil. In every age it has traded on the fear and faith of mankind; for the former it has borrowed or devised the most horrid punishments in this life and in the next; while for the latter it has practised every art of deception that could impose on ignorance and credulity.

You my friend perpetuate all of this, so go now proud christian, and spread your message.

 

Good Scientist

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good scientist;

 

when you shape the world, Good is shaping it - as your very being, and the god covernant talks over are the same thing.

 

God is you and you are it, you are potentially as powerful as each other, as you are linked as one.

 

 

What does this mean? What it really means is that we creatures give honor and respect and obedience to our Creator. If we know our place, if we understand that He is God and we are but mortal beings, then we start on the path of wisdom.

 

 

 

I also disagree. This is muddled. We are not mortal. We are all imortal, this is not like a game of black and white. we are creations of god, god is not seperate from us, we are linked eternally. we need god and god needs us. Only the material bodies we used in the 3 dimensions are mortal.

 

Dod does not demand obedience - in an act of affirming this it gives us 'Free will'. This is called unconditional love.

 

Also you can claim that the original sentence really means your interpretation, as honour an respect are not in anyway connected to 'fear'.

 

obedience is linked to fear - yes.

 

I am gods equal, no less and no more. Only be realising this do you give god true and 'real' respect. not respect based on fear and 'obedience'. Also you will give the same respect to all of god (that is) all humans throught the universe and all matter within.

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"Good" Scientist and ollyb, WHERE DID YOU COME FROM? Am I taking 'crazy pills' or something?

 

On the one hand we have "Good"Scientist & the ridiculous notion that Christianity is evil, and has been a force of evil throughout all time, and on the other hand we have Olly B claiming that we are all god.

 

Which bit of 'know' don't you understand???!

 

On the Christianity thing: read up on the history of the world before Christianity and you'll find that it wasn't a very pleasant place. It was a dark, cruel place that needed the light of the Gospel. Look at the transformations it has caused! EG. South America, where human sacrifice was practiced on a MASSIVE scale, until the Spanish and Portugese brought the message of salvation.

Also, look at Christianity's influence on art: go to St. Peter's Bascillica in Rome and see how Christianity influenced Michaelangelo to paint and sculpt masterpieces. Thats just an example.

 

And OllyB, you seem to be missing something very fundamental: God is the Creator, we are the creatures. Yes we came from Him, but we are not Him. We have free will. We are not robots. We decide whether to be open to truth and love, or to choose falsehood and hate. If we choose truth and love, then yes, we will be united to God for all eternity, but if we reject truth and love, then we reject God, and we reject eternal bliss. We descend into a hell of our own making.

 

You are by no means God's equal. Wisdom is knowing God and knowing ourselves. I think you need to grasp a concept that seems quite alien to you: humilty. Its only when you realize that we are insignificant pieces of dust next to God and the wonders of the universe that you can say like the Psalmist, 'What is man, that you are mindful of him'?

 

Ponder Psalm 8 and get some real Wisdom:

 

1 O LORD, our Lord,

how majestic is your name in all the earth!

You have set your glory

above the heavens.

2 From the lips of children and infants

you have ordained praise

because of your enemies,

to silence the foe and the avenger.

 

3 When I consider your heavens,

the work of your fingers,

the moon and the stars,

which you have set in place,

 

4 what is man that you are mindful of him,

the son of man that you care for him?

 

5 You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings

and crowned him with glory and honor.

 

6 You made him ruler over the works of your hands;

you put everything under his feet:

 

7 all flocks and herds,

and the beasts of the field,

 

8 the birds of the air,

and the fish of the sea,

all that swim the paths of the seas.

 

9 O LORD, our Lord,

how majestic is your name in all the earth!

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Am I taking 'crazy pills' or something?

 

 

 

You may as well be if you believe in all seriousness that god exists and that the christian religion is wholly innocent of any evil or wrong.

 

That psalm has no wisdom, but strives to rob you of it. I won't be deceived so easily, and neither will a great deal of the people here.

 

If we choose truth and love, then yes, we will be united to God for all eternity, but if we reject truth and love, then we reject God, and we reject eternal bliss. We descend into a hell of our own making.

 

 

 

I have chosen truth and love, yet not god. You have chosen god, maybe love, but have not the truth.

You cant have them all i guess.

 

On the Christianity thing: read up on the history of the world before Christianity and you'll find that it wasn't a very pleasant place. It was a dark, cruel place that needed the light of the Gospel. Look at the transformations it has caused! EG. South America, where human sacrifice was practiced on a MASSIVE scale, until the Spanish and Portugese brought the message of salvation.

Also, look at Christianity's influence on art: go to St. Peter's Bascillica in Rome and see how Christianity influenced Michaelangelo to paint and sculpt masterpieces. Thats just an example.

 

 

 

I have seen st.peter's bassilica and the vatican. The artwork is undeniably beautiful and skillful.

But was he influenced by god. NO.

Also the spanish and portuguese brought some guns and swords. Maybe they didn't tell you that. Human sacrifice was practiced, but not against the sacrifice's wishes or against their culture and religion, so what was the bloody need for christians to interfere? Why? Things were fine before spanish and portuguese showed up.

The world got darker and ACTUALLY regressed under the rule of chirtianity and Rome. Heard of the dark ages? LOL. And thwere was alot more bloodshed with christianity armed to the teeth. This you should know as a historian (which I am now begin to doubt you actually are).

 

Why don't you just accept it, Christianity is not all sweetness and light, so you telling me it is will only incur more and more horrendous examples of its use as a mind and people controlling power tool. Which even at it's creation was intended. Enough said.

 

You are by no means God's equal.

 

Something you said that makes sense; god is not MY equal.

 

Good Scientist

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Hey Covenant!

 

I was going through my old LP albums today and I was wondering if you'd like any of these great works of inspirational musical albums for your collection.

 

Lets see what have I got here .... how about this little ripper!

karatist.jpg

 

Well ... If that one seems a little hard hitting then what about this bloody gem......

cristcrusaders.jpg

These guys will rock your tabernacles!

 

Or how about this for happy clapping orgasmic boogieing! ....

cuntrychurch.jpg

If you play that one for old Aunt Emma then she might give you one of her "wet mouth kisses' that you love so much!

 

Ok buddy, now I already know that you are impressed with my little collection but did you think that I actually had this in my collection as well? ....

godisntdead.jpg

Yep ... for some reason I like to drink beer when I listen to that one! ... You'll bloody love it too mate!

 

Ok you need something that is a real party pleaser and may inspire Audrey to shake her booty?

Whack this on and get funky! ...

louvin.jpg

 

Yep there will be some serious sounds coming from your place with this collection pumping.

Hey! " Your own personal Disco for Jesus!"

I know...The next time that you visit Jesus you can take these and play it all for him, after all, he did inspire all of this wonderful clapping music!

 

He will bless you for it!

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"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Mt 5:11-12)

 

-Thanks for the insult; you just increased my nest egg in heaven.

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It's funny how selfish you appear Covenant; looking out for number one. That's a part of religion, isn't it, alot people (certainly back in dark ages) were only trying so badly to get into the heaven they were tricked into believing existed. They didn't give a flying [censored] about the values of the religion, or anything to do with it. Just the bit about living after death (death being man's greatest fear), they'd do whatever was asked of them to take advantage of that luxury, little did they know they were the ones who were being taken advantage of. So those who don't fear death have no need of religion, and in a society increasingly filled with the confidence and strength and logic of science, it's only a matter of time before forget about the religions of the past.

 

Good Scientist

 

P.s good one nitescott, I especially like the line 'how about this little ripper.....' LOL.

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Psalm 14

Of David.

 

1 The fool says in his heart,

"There is no God."

They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;

there is no one who does good.

2 The LORD looks down from heaven

on the sons of men

to see if there are any who understand,

any who seek God.

 

3 All have turned aside,

they have together become corrupt;

there is no one who does good,

not even one.

 

4 Will evildoers never learn—

those who devour my people as men eat bread

and who do not call on the LORD ?

 

5 There they are, overwhelmed with dread,

for God is present in the company of the righteous.

 

6 You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor,

but the LORD is their refuge.

 

7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion!

When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people,

let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!

 

I think that pretty much sums it up. Who seeks the Lord? Who truly seeks Him? Well, I did. And I found Him. And I received a vision. Part of that vision was time travel.

 

You are corrupt. You don't seek truth. And therefore, you are a fool. I only have pity for you.

 

Go with God.

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You still here, I thought you'd finally buggered off.

I'm not surprised there are verses about non-believers in the bible. NEVER!

All these verses are aimed at the truly wise, those with the power to rule themselves, people like me, free minded people that religious nuts of the past truly feared. The docile muppets like you never got anywhere or did anything. If you are trying to tell me that all I do, and all I touch is evil, then surely this would contracdict your precious ideals, your precious commandments and your precious religion. I know that without believing in any god, I am a someone who does no evil and who will better myself and humanity with all I know, for most of my life.

 

Good Scientist

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Even though the psalm was again mistranslated, i think i should add that its just a damn song! A psalm is just another way to sing gods praises, many psalms are used in jewish prayer today, that doesn't mean that they hold ANY substance.

 

If I were to take, say, "if i had a hammer" by peter, paul and mary and i were to apply it by calling it a religious 'psalm.' I would take the hammering as an abscure reference to spreading gods word, ect ect. ... not go off and start bashing people in the head with a hammer screaming "GOD IS GOOD." due to the fact that PSALMS ARE NOT LITERAL. they are SONGS.

 

deal with it.

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Ignorantsentient, I hope you are talking to covenant.

I know psalms are songs but that doesn't even matter here.

He has misquoted the psalm to make a better attack on me using the psalm as a literal message, to which i duely responded.

 

GS

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'Good'scientist said:

 

 

'The docile muppets like you never got anywhere or did anything. '

 

-People of religious faith have and do extraordinary things. Look at Pope John Paul II, for example, or the late and great Ronald Reagan. Its no small wonder that their funerals stopped the world-after all, they created this post-communist world that we now live in. It's a world a hell of a lot safer than it was during the Cold War. Two men of faith, who were shot and almost died in 1981-both spared to save the world from a nuclear holocaust and bring down the Iron Curtain. What if those two men didn't believe? What if they didn't seek the truth and try to live by it? We probably wouldn't be around right now to talk about it.

 

 

Ignorant one said, 'think i should add that its just a damn song! A psalm is just another way to sing gods praises, many psalms are used in jewish prayer today, that doesn't mean that they hold ANY substance.'

 

-The Book of Psalms has been the 'Prayer book' for the Jewish and Christian people for 3,000 years. Its not just 'songs', its poety, divinely inspired words to guide and form the People of God.

 

Jesus put it on the level of the other parts of Scripture when He said shortly after rising from the dead,

 

'This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms." (lk. 24.44)

 

Oh, and I didn't 'misquote' the Psalm: it was quoted in its entirety! Really guys, get a clue!

 

Go with God.

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You are still skirting my points about my reality and my intentions. But oh well.

 

People of religious faith have and do extraordinary things. Look at Pope John Paul II, for example, or the late and great Ronald Reagan. Its no small wonder that their funerals stopped the world-after all, they created this post-communist world that we now live in. It's a world a hell of a lot safer than it was during the Cold War. Two men of faith, who were shot and almost died in 1981-both spared to save the world from a nuclear holocaust and bring down the Iron Curtain. What if those two men didn't believe? What if they didn't seek the truth and try to live by it? We probably wouldn't be around right now to talk about it.

 

 

If they did or didn't believe is imaterial, they are not soley responisibvle for ending the cold war, I'm sure there are others who put in their efforts. Like the russian people and the people of the baltic states, etc. They wanted rid of communism and then they got rid of it. Don't dispute this because I have alot of russian friends who lived and grew up in the communist soviet union. They told me how through the overwhelming numbers of people wanting the end of communism the people changed their fortunes. Men of the cloth had little influence on the outcome in this case, and their influence will continue to decline.

 

I stand by my point.

 

Do you think you can now 'go' with god.

 

Good Scientist

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I'm an historian, you're not, so I'll give you a little history lesson.

 

The Cold War was many things but it was mainly two things:

 

1) a NUCLEAR STANDOFF BETWEEN THE USA AND THE USSR,

 

2) THE DOMINATION OF EASTERN EUROPE BY THE USSR.

 

Reagan re-built the US's military, deployed nukes on the border of the USSR and began 'Star Wars'. The Soviets were thus cornered, and they had to sue for peace. Reagan and Gorbachev met, agreed to eliminate nukes in Europe, and the Nuke Stand Off was over. RR and Gorby stood together, arm in arm, in Red Square Moscow. Peace was achieved.

 

The domination of Eastern Europe ended due to a domino effect. The first dominio to fall was Poland, which had free elections in 1989 and Solidary won. Now Solidary came into effect after the 1979 visit of Polish Pontiff, JOHN PAUL II. He said, 'Be free!' and they were inspired. When in 1981 the Soviets looked like they were about to invoke the 'Brezhnev' doctrine and invade Poland, JPII said, 'I'll leave Rome and stand between the people and the tanks.' They backed off. He therefore not only created Solidary, but he saved it, and his support led to its eventual victory. Other eastern bloc states followed suite, and the wall came crumbling down. Even Gorby said, 'If it weren't for JPII, the USSR would still be around today."

 

Two men of faith, Ronald Reagan, John Paul II, saved from death, to save the world from communism. Need I say more, or should I remind you about hundreds of other Christians over 2,000 years who have changed the world?

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Thankfully the number of Christians available to destroy society has diminished into the minority.

In Britain there are approximately 58 million Great Britons, only 3.5 million of them attend church at least once every two weeks. This means that predictions made now indictae that by 2020, practicing christian will be all but gone and most local churches made into buildings to serve the community, like, I don't know, schools to teach science and maths.

 

Even I'll thank 'God' for that one.

 

GS

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